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I have written a brief introduction.  Also added a sentence or two to the existing copy in the following paragraph. See what you think.
==Introduction==
I have written a brief introduction to this introduction.  Also added a sentence or two to the existing copy in the following paragraph. I focus on JP rather than on the "team" because the great strength of this material is the feeling you get of his voice. See what you think.


You may need to rejig the entire intro section a bit, in my opinion. The very strong wikibook focus is fine online - not so relevant when you're staring at a PDF.


A few challenges:
We would need to tell users where they can get the PDF and where to go online. Put it in a box. Bold.


1. '''Names of chapters'''. For some chapters, there is a short title (in the TOC that you can see on the right) and a longer title when you arrive at the destination. This creates uncertainty when you link internally (am I in the right place?) Ideally, both for online and print, the name of the chapter heading should be '''exactly''' as it appears in '''any''' direction to it. Otherwise readers will feeling anxious. Right now the readers are looking at the short title in the brief TOC on the right, but when the reader is being '''linked''' in the text the long title is used.  It has to be consistent, not puzzling. (I don't care if long or short titles are used, but only one title would be a grand idea.)
[[User:Gayla Reid|Gayla Reid]] ([[User talk:Gayla Reid|talk]]) 16:26, 30 April 2013 (PDT)




2. '''Chapters headings doubling as section headings'''.


I strongly recommend adding a sub-heading, Overview, to the start of each chapter (following the chapter's introduction). This is not entirely consistent, but it's a compromise. We would need to do a work-around on this in terms of the style sheet, and an auto-generated TOC for the PDF.
==Chapters headings doubling as section headings==
 
I strongly recommend adding a sub-heading, '''Overview''', to the start of each chapter (following the chapter's introduction).  


Here is my thinking about this:
Here is my thinking about this:


In the copy I'm editing, the chapter heading is also de facto the heading of the overview section. This is followed by "more detailed" sections. Logically this bothers me. It should be (a) heading; (b) section/section/section. And in the in-print TOC it will need to look like this.   
In the copy I'm editing, the chapter heading is also de facto the heading of the overview section. This is followed by "more detailed" sections. Logically this bothers me. It should be (a) heading; (b) section/section/section. (And in the in-print TOC it will need to look like this.)  
 
The problem then becomes a style sheet headache, where each section (aka page) starts with an (a) heading, even though subsequent sections are actually (b) section headings. In an online non-book format, I'd take a heading page, put in the intro, then line up the sections for folks to link to: overview section/more detailed section/more detailed section. (The heading for the overview section could just say "overview."
 
 
[[User:Gayla Reid|Gayla Reid]] ([[User talk:Gayla Reid|talk]]) 16:26, 30 April 2013 (PDT)
 
==Names of chapters and sections==
 
Ideally, both for online and print, the names of the chapter and section headings should be '''exactly''' as it appears in '''any''' direction to it. Otherwise readers will start feeling anxious. (They know it's a minefield.)
 
For some chapters, there is a short title (in the TOC that you can see on the right when you have selected a chapter) and a longer title when you arrive at the destination. This creates uncertainty when you link internally (am I in the right place?)
 
Some links were using the short titles, but of course the longer title was showing up at the destinations. I changed this so that the link is the longer title - just to be consistent. (But in some cases (see comment on forms, below) I think the short title is the better one. Suggestions?
 
==The "short" TOC==
 
Right now the readers are looking at the short title in the brief TOC on the right but seeing a longer title in the link and at the destination. Consistency is important.
 
[[User:Gayla Reid|Gayla Reid]] ([[User talk:Gayla Reid|talk]]) 16:26, 30 April 2013 (PDT)
 
==In-print TOC==
 
We are having a nice numbered manual, right? It will help readers get around, given that they won't have hyperlinks. (I wouldn't want it online.)


The problem then becomes a style sheet one, where each section (aka page) starts with an (a) heading, even though subsequent sections are actually (b) section headings. In an online non-book format, I'd take a heading page, put in the intro, then line up the sections for folks to link to: overview section/more detailed section/more detailed section. (The heading for the overview section could just say "overview."
[[User:Gayla Reid|Gayla Reid]] ([[User talk:Gayla Reid|talk]]) 16:26, 30 April 2013 (PDT)


3. '''In-print TOC'''. We are having a nice numbered manual, right?
==Forms==
The "short toc" has a name for the forms sections. When you get there it is something different - and it's ''very'' legalese. Something like: Supreme Court forms (family law). Can we get rid of those parentheses? (The short TOC for the forms is good, in my opinion.)


[[User:Gayla Reid|Gayla Reid]] ([[User talk:Gayla Reid|talk]]) 16:26, 30 April 2013 (PDT)


4. The links to sections (and to forms) are different from the sections you can see on the short TOC.
==Creative commons==
I added the rev. edition of the Creative Commons credit at the end of pages, but it has an ugly last line (darts out flush left).
[[User:Gayla Reid|Gayla Reid]] ([[User talk:Gayla Reid|talk]]) 18:57, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

Latest revision as of 00:54, 2 May 2013

Introduction[edit]

I have written a brief introduction to this introduction. Also added a sentence or two to the existing copy in the following paragraph. I focus on JP rather than on the "team" because the great strength of this material is the feeling you get of his voice. See what you think.

You may need to rejig the entire intro section a bit, in my opinion. The very strong wikibook focus is fine online - not so relevant when you're staring at a PDF.

We would need to tell users where they can get the PDF and where to go online. Put it in a box. Bold.

Gayla Reid (talk) 16:26, 30 April 2013 (PDT)


Chapters headings doubling as section headings[edit]

I strongly recommend adding a sub-heading, Overview, to the start of each chapter (following the chapter's introduction).

Here is my thinking about this:

In the copy I'm editing, the chapter heading is also de facto the heading of the overview section. This is followed by "more detailed" sections. Logically this bothers me. It should be (a) heading; (b) section/section/section. (And in the in-print TOC it will need to look like this.)

The problem then becomes a style sheet headache, where each section (aka page) starts with an (a) heading, even though subsequent sections are actually (b) section headings. In an online non-book format, I'd take a heading page, put in the intro, then line up the sections for folks to link to: overview section/more detailed section/more detailed section. (The heading for the overview section could just say "overview."


Gayla Reid (talk) 16:26, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

Names of chapters and sections[edit]

Ideally, both for online and print, the names of the chapter and section headings should be exactly as it appears in any direction to it. Otherwise readers will start feeling anxious. (They know it's a minefield.)

For some chapters, there is a short title (in the TOC that you can see on the right when you have selected a chapter) and a longer title when you arrive at the destination. This creates uncertainty when you link internally (am I in the right place?)

Some links were using the short titles, but of course the longer title was showing up at the destinations. I changed this so that the link is the longer title - just to be consistent. (But in some cases (see comment on forms, below) I think the short title is the better one. Suggestions?

The "short" TOC[edit]

Right now the readers are looking at the short title in the brief TOC on the right but seeing a longer title in the link and at the destination. Consistency is important.

Gayla Reid (talk) 16:26, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

In-print TOC[edit]

We are having a nice numbered manual, right? It will help readers get around, given that they won't have hyperlinks. (I wouldn't want it online.)

Gayla Reid (talk) 16:26, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

Forms[edit]

The "short toc" has a name for the forms sections. When you get there it is something different - and it's very legalese. Something like: Supreme Court forms (family law). Can we get rid of those parentheses? (The short TOC for the forms is good, in my opinion.)

Gayla Reid (talk) 16:26, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

Creative commons[edit]

I added the rev. edition of the Creative Commons credit at the end of pages, but it has an ugly last line (darts out flush left). Gayla Reid (talk) 18:57, 30 April 2013 (PDT)